Comments for Xordelia (dot) COM http://xordelia.com Life, The Universe and Everything Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:25:22 +0000 hourly 1 http://wordpress.org/?v=3.0.1 Comment on Ground Zero Mosque by mrbrant http://xordelia.com/?p=327&cpage=1#comment-321 mrbrant Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:25:22 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=327#comment-321 I think we should take a page out of the book of the Republicans who want to change the 14th amendment. But instead we should change the first amendment to exclude \"religion\" and just simplify the world by making it illegal. That isn\'t what America is about and I\'m not actually serious because if that happened this would no longer BE America, but it\'s interesting to think about. I think we should take a page out of the book of the Republicans who want to change the 14th amendment. But instead we should change the first amendment to exclude \”religion\” and just simplify the world by making it illegal.

That isn\’t what America is about and I\’m not actually serious because if that happened this would no longer BE America, but it\’s interesting to think about.

]]> Comment on Ground Zero Mosque by mrbrant http://xordelia.com/?p=327&cpage=1#comment-320 mrbrant Wed, 25 Aug 2010 20:23:59 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=327#comment-320 I would be honored to have my stuff shared with your kids. Encourage them to comment, even if they disagree. And if any of them are like minded and ever want to submit content, I would love to have more than just one writer here (you\'re welcome as well). I would be honored to have my stuff shared with your kids. Encourage them to comment, even if they disagree. And if any of them are like minded and ever want to submit content, I would love to have more than just one writer here (you\’re welcome as well).

]]> Comment on Ground Zero Mosque by nikki eddy http://xordelia.com/?p=327&cpage=1#comment-319 nikki eddy Wed, 25 Aug 2010 03:33:07 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=327#comment-319 I'm using your article and video for TOK tomorrow! :) I'm using your article and video for TOK tomorrow! :)

]]> Comment on Ground Zero Mosque by Bonqueque Jones http://xordelia.com/?p=327&cpage=1#comment-316 Bonqueque Jones Wed, 25 Aug 2010 00:10:02 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=327#comment-316 Toooootally agree. Maybe it was Muslims who are responsible for ground zero in the first place, but as you said, every religious group has had their faults and societal distrubances. Not all Muslims are alike, just like not all Christians, Catholics, etc. are alike. Americans can't point the finger and put down every single Muslim for the mistake of a few. Touche my friend, touche. Toooootally agree. Maybe it was Muslims who are responsible for ground zero in the first place, but as you said, every religious group has had their faults and societal distrubances. Not all Muslims are alike, just like not all Christians, Catholics, etc. are alike. Americans can't point the finger and put down every single Muslim for the mistake of a few. Touche my friend, touche.

]]> Comment on Biblical Absurdities: Part 1 by mrbrant http://xordelia.com/?p=311&cpage=1#comment-314 mrbrant Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:24:30 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=311#comment-314 If any of the Bible was taken literally that would be pretty fucked up morality. In The God Delusion, Dawkins goes on to explain how almost no morality actually comes out of religion, most of it is derived by natural selection where altruism = mutual survival. Taking the Bible literally is one of many problems with the religious-right in America. If any of the Bible was taken literally that would be pretty fucked up morality. In The God Delusion, Dawkins goes on to explain how almost no morality actually comes out of religion, most of it is derived by natural selection where altruism = mutual survival.

Taking the Bible literally is one of many problems with the religious-right in America.

]]> Comment on Biblical Absurdities: Part 1 by D Ting http://xordelia.com/?p=311&cpage=1#comment-313 D Ting Fri, 20 Aug 2010 05:10:40 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=311#comment-313 I think the debate about what the Bible says about women could go on for a while, I'm not an expert on the topic, and I think we are in mutual disagreement about this, so let's drop it. Revelation is a book of signs - it is stated right in the very first verse of the book. If you think about it, you can't really take anything in the book too literally, because everything in the book is symbology. What it comes down to is a matter of interpretation. Religion and politics were the same thing in Old Testament (more specifically the Pentateuch) but I don't think that is the case in the New Testament. Christians in the New Testament were heavily persecuted by the political leaders of their time. Jesus himself was even against the Pharisees, and it was the high priests (religious leaders) and the Roman politicians that nailed him to the cross. In a sense, Jesus isn't even part of religion but against it. Paul was a Pharisee and after becoming a Christian (as opposed to a teacher of the Old Testament law) he turned against the political leaders of Rome and Greece. He had to run away from being imprisoned countless times in the book of the Acts. Paul's teachings cannot be about how women in society at large should behave, if he was so opposed to the political system at the time. I think the debate about what the Bible says about women could go on for a while, I'm not an expert on the topic, and I think we are in mutual disagreement about this, so let's drop it.
Revelation is a book of signs – it is stated right in the very first verse of the book. If you think about it, you can't really take anything in the book too literally, because everything in the book is symbology. What it comes down to is a matter of interpretation.
Religion and politics were the same thing in Old Testament (more specifically the Pentateuch) but I don't think that is the case in the New Testament. Christians in the New Testament were heavily persecuted by the political leaders of their time. Jesus himself was even against the Pharisees, and it was the high priests (religious leaders) and the Roman politicians that nailed him to the cross. In a sense, Jesus isn't even part of religion but against it. Paul was a Pharisee and after becoming a Christian (as opposed to a teacher of the Old Testament law) he turned against the political leaders of Rome and Greece. He had to run away from being imprisoned countless times in the book of the Acts. Paul's teachings cannot be about how women in society at large should behave, if he was so opposed to the political system at the time.

]]> Comment on Biblical Absurdities: Part 1 by mrbrant http://xordelia.com/?p=311&cpage=1#comment-312 mrbrant Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:59:48 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=311#comment-312 I have to disagree with you on much of this. In these passages, Paul basically says straight up that women were created as sex objects (and property) of men and they are second class citizens. Much of the same is throughout the bible from Genesis (the supposed creation of Eve from Adam's rib as his amusement/sex object) to Revelations (where it specifically says 144,000 Jewish MEN who have not *defiled* themselves with women will be saved). Also, religion and politics were one and the same (and in a lot of cases still are) during the Biblical time period. The Pharisees (religious leaders) were also the ones in power in terms of politics. So the teachings of Paul could apply to church and state, since they were not separate back then. I have to disagree with you on much of this. In these passages, Paul basically says straight up that women were created as sex objects (and property) of men and they are second class citizens. Much of the same is throughout the bible from Genesis (the supposed creation of Eve from Adam's rib as his amusement/sex object) to Revelations (where it specifically says 144,000 Jewish MEN who have not *defiled* themselves with women will be saved).

Also, religion and politics were one and the same (and in a lot of cases still are) during the Biblical time period. The Pharisees (religious leaders) were also the ones in power in terms of politics. So the teachings of Paul could apply to church and state, since they were not separate back then.

]]> Comment on Gay Politics by mrbrant http://xordelia.com/?p=278&cpage=1#comment-311 mrbrant Thu, 19 Aug 2010 16:54:51 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=278#comment-311 Watching the documentary "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers" actually showed me that I am indeed angry (maybe even bitter) toward Christians. I think it softened my heart a little bit toward them but at the same time it isn't going to stop me from fighting. My experience with Christians (the minority, I'd say now) is what originally got me to realize the evils of religion. From there, of course, I began to doubt and am now an Atheist. I guess I can ultimately thank the Christians for liberating me from being guilted into living a lifestyle that is unrealistic and impossible. Plus they do say that education/intelligence and religious belief are inversely proportional. But yeah man - I agree, we should talk sometime. I have a lot of questions for you. Watching the documentary "Lord, Save Us From Your Followers" actually showed me that I am indeed angry (maybe even bitter) toward Christians. I think it softened my heart a little bit toward them but at the same time it isn't going to stop me from fighting.

My experience with Christians (the minority, I'd say now) is what originally got me to realize the evils of religion. From there, of course, I began to doubt and am now an Atheist. I guess I can ultimately thank the Christians for liberating me from being guilted into living a lifestyle that is unrealistic and impossible. Plus they do say that education/intelligence and religious belief are inversely proportional.

But yeah man – I agree, we should talk sometime. I have a lot of questions for you.

]]> Comment on Gay Politics by D Ting http://xordelia.com/?p=278&cpage=1#comment-310 D Ting Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:54:39 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=278#comment-310 Hey Michael, This post nearly made me cry. Partly because I can identify so well with your experiences in the first few paragraphs, but also because how you were treated was just inhuman. I have much to say regarding this post, but on the other hand you and I have many ghosts of the past that we've not confronted. I hope we have a real discussion about this some time. It will not be either of us trying to fight a war. Just to understand where we've been all these years, because I want to know. Daniel Hey Michael,
This post nearly made me cry. Partly because I can identify so well with your experiences in the first few paragraphs, but also because how you were treated was just inhuman. I have much to say regarding this post, but on the other hand you and I have many ghosts of the past that we've not confronted. I hope we have a real discussion about this some time. It will not be either of us trying to fight a war. Just to understand where we've been all these years, because I want to know.
Daniel

]]> Comment on Lord, Save Us From Your Followers by D Ting http://xordelia.com/?p=315&cpage=1#comment-309 D Ting Thu, 19 Aug 2010 11:41:04 +0000 http://xordelia.com/?p=315#comment-309 I appreciate your openness in this post. I agree that liberals have a better handle on the right-wing culture than the right-wing has on themselves even. I myself have many grievances against the current state of Christianity, and it is tough to want to be identified with individuals who insist on their ways inconsiderately. I think it is brave of Dan Merchant to confront the elephant in the room openly both to believers and unbelievers alike. I might watch this movie sometime when I get the chance. I appreciate your openness in this post. I agree that liberals have a better handle on the right-wing culture than the right-wing has on themselves even. I myself have many grievances against the current state of Christianity, and it is tough to want to be identified with individuals who insist on their ways inconsiderately. I think it is brave of Dan Merchant to confront the elephant in the room openly both to believers and unbelievers alike. I might watch this movie sometime when I get the chance.

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